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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So, since Nina collapsed at the mansion, 3 months have passed? Whoa, Nina sure takes time to recover =P I still wonder why Johan burned the mansion down. |
| SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED?! I'm confused in that, so 3 months had passed, eh?! And that dead bodies are really real, I thought it was a flashback scene! |
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| Those picture books are messed up. |
naikou said: Those picture books are messed up. lol yeah |
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| wow what a twisted guy. i wonder what fucked him up to make him want to make his kid a "demon" |
| Epic episode is epic.And I'll keep in mind to NEVER ever buy a picture children book from Czechoslovakia XDD |
| I wonder if the demon in the mirror is the mother, forcing her child to act on her hatred. The god of peace is how Johan is seen by Klaus Poppe; the demon how his mother sees him. Or, if the god of peace is Tenma, who fights with the idea of killing evil for greater good. |
| No more lady Johan it seems. |
| To many episodes for a day X_X yuzuru19, you have a good point xD Hmmm... What will Johan do when he wount have any past?.. The only one he must kill then is himself... |
| How can someone hate this episode? I find those picture books really intriguing. After hearing several of those children's stories in this series, I've become interested in finding out and reading more of them. |
| I wonder what Bonaparta did to Johan to make him live the same way as the demons from the picture books. It's like Johan's life has been written for him before. He's like a programed child or something. |
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| Now that I think about it... Nina could be Johann, but then again, it doesn't make any fucking sense. Thats just me anyway. Lets see whats next. |
| Those picture books were written by the Czech version of Tim Burton XD |
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| just how messed up must be the man to write these "children books" and read them to the childrens ... no wonder why johan and other kids as well end up that way... and it's seems that everyone is headed to the red rose mansion |
| The last book he read is probably about Johan realizing who he is. I still am not convinced that he is really a schizophrenic, but I think that Johan's good side he thinks of is Anna. The scene with Johan asking Anna to shoot him in Dusseldorf kind of proves it. But overall, everything got so messed up that even I can't span all of those events and make a conclusion. It's just too much. Or I would have to write a 2000 word essay on that (which I will in a review when I'll finish Monster). This guy seems to be someone related to Johan a lot. I mean, why was he being taught in Bonaparta's mansion? His parents would not have let him go there. Unless he was one of the experimental children taken care of by Bonaparta. Similar to 511 Kinderheim. And Johan was only looking to regain his memory all this time. That was probably his main goal. The memory loss can probably be due to few reasons. First, it was taken away by Bonaparta's experiments. Second, it was taken away in Kinderheim 511, we learned from Grimmer, that they were erasing memories there. And third, the head trauma caused him amnesia. |
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| That puppet lose better not have done anything to Mamiko Noto, or I'm going to kill someone! Glad to see she's back though. |
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| The missing pieces of this puzzle are starting to show up.. All I can say, children's books are quite pyschological that sometimes, will mess your head up.. lol |
| There are a lot of double meanings in this episode and, frankly, I don't think I understand them all. They are very delicious though. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| So nina considers herself the one in the mirror sense she said, he points the gun to his forehead, Also the stories are soo amzing and interesting i wanna read those stories |
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Zell182 said: Those picture books were written by the Czech version of Tim Burton XD Or by less twisted version of Jan Svankmajer :3 |
| wow this episode was messed up big time! |
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| Wow. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| "The Big Eyed Man and the Big Mouthed Man" by Klaus Poppe The moral of the story is you're are screw either way, whether or not you make a deal with the demon. "The nameless monster" (listen in ep 37) is very interesting. |
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| i LOVE the other picture books! i would buy them all too like the puppet guy~~ |
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| talk about a giant confusing mess, not to say it wasn't interesting... but that was quite a lot to take down over one episode -_- definitely looking forward to the next episode |
| Those picture books were intriguing. |
| wtf 3 months LOL |
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| I think the three months are meant to be the where Tenma is captured and escaping. Otherwise it's pretty evident that Nina would have gone back to Germany to try to talk to Tenma. The picture books add a delicious creepiness to the series that is really hard to describe. I wonder what they are based on. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Oh My God that was one of the creepiest episodes I have seen. Also the whole three month's thing is a tad bit odd, Nina passes out and is still shaken by the events three months later. Anyways creepy episode and really can't wait to see whats next. |
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| Awesome episode. Tenma just reading those Friz father's note and finally get's a drive some old man. And he even gets bread or was it hamburger haha. And it seems there was some with Bonaparta who meet with this guy in the Red Mansion. And children were afraid of him. Also Reinchwield and Friz conversation before they went to Red Mansion was nice that Friz told Reinchwield what those notes mean. That basically they were a location to Red Roses Mansion. And Reinchwield also apologize for blaming Friz and I think their bonds got even better here. Nicely character development. Also Nina still seemed remembering those events in her past. What happened in there. I really have to say that Red Rose Mansion is kind of scary place. Also atmosphere when Nina and Dieter where in that mansion was created nicely. So Nina collapsed after seeing those 20 people in down. Again another timeskip this time it's 3 months man I wanna know what happened in those other months. But yeah this Liptim guy seems really strange and important character because he was one who were in the meeting with Bonaparte. And maybe children were afraid of him. So those picture book this guy Liptim read was basically telling story of Anna and Johan in them. Man I really have to say Franz Bonaparte was intelligent man. To think story like that. So Johan's goal was only to find Red Rose Mansion and get his memories back. And his amnesia was due to Dusseldorf operating head injury and 2 other was Bonaparta's experiments. And memory erasing in Kinderheim 511. 5/5 |
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| Damn, this was complicated. I'm starting to loose track. |
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| Johan your weave is on fire. 3 months is way too long. |
Shinryuken said: wtf 3 months LOL Didnt even realize there was a time skip... |
-Crys said: WHOA. 3 months time skip? What the hell happened to Tenma, Reichweinn and all the others in three months? I hope it will be explained ore else this series has just lost a 10. I'm almost completely 100% certain that time jumped backwards 3 months to when we had just gotten through watching Nina enter the Three Frogs. She then continued searching the area to try and remember what it was all about, then collapsed when she opened the door in the Red Rose Mansion. She is found and taken to a hospital by the puppet guy, and then time skips forward 3 months to where we were at in the story. She's probably headed to the Red Rose Mansion for a second time where she will likely meet up with Tenma and everyone else, and it's anybodies guess what happens after that. |
| Some parts of this post may be exaggerated. |
| What's with those sick picture books? I bet Johans parents where demons. |
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Arachneia said: I wonder if the demon in the mirror is the mother, forcing her child to act on her hatred. The god of peace is how Johan is seen by Klaus Poppe; the demon how his mother sees him. I think that Hans, Otto and Johan were split personalities of him, and after looking to the mirror, Johan (devil) prevailed. At least it seems to be that way, it could be right. Schizophrenia seem to be hereditable, he got it from his father (Franz Bonaparte, Emil Sebe, Klaus Poppe - those were his split personalities) |
| So huh. If you want to kill your reflection, you should point a gun at yourself rather than at your reflection. Putting a bullet in your head forces your reflection to follow suit, but firing directly at your reflection just shatters the glass between you. Fascinating implications! (Maybe not implications for Monster specifically, but it gave me a devilish idea for a story.) |
CuriousThingJul 1, 2013 8:53 AM
| and the awkward story books keep coming.. They can't be really the only key to Johan's messed up personnality.. Can they ! And this is a little irrelevant, but why is Dieter still around, I feel it's wrong to keep dragging him around in this mess, he should've stayed at that village -.- |
| wow lots of stories in just one episode!! the driver seems nice to Tenma ^^ first off, i thought Vardemann would leave Tenma and enjoy his life with his wife. seems he and Dr. Reichwein are gonna follow him huh? and wtf, Vardemann memorized the notes! Anna's memories are slowly returning!! so the killings in the mansion was due to the poison set up by Anna herself? O___O Lipsyk seems nice, glad he didn't do anything with Nina and all. so he is indeed one of the children in the Red Rose mansion. guess he didn't meet their expectations huh? and what the hell 3 month skip? it took Johan that long to get there? and where the hell is Tenma? what about Eva? or even Lunge? are you telling me Lunge stop coming back to the mansion out of a sudden? i also don't get in the last episodes where Tenma was already in Parague and he was captured and went long way till he escaped so he basically came back just for the mansion? it does make sense he went to hiding for 3 months before reaching there. but what about Johan? what took him so long? i wonder if Eva is still alive?!?! :( though Lunge needs an explanation ASAP! The Man with Big Eyes, THe Man with Big Mouth book was scary as hell!! even the drawings are disturbing! The God of Peace was definitely one of the most disturbing and all. could be a prequel since in the Monster without a Name book, he was the son of the King who made a deal with the devil. i have a feeling he lost his memories and was put back to the world as a child, and then became another monster once again. and yeah, when i heard Otto, Hans, Thomas, it was basically Johan's other names from the tape. though at first i thought it was Grimmer with Hans :P wow the God of Peace became a demon because Johan tricked him to it? i wonder why Johan burned the mansion? so Johan and Anna are really one person? i wonder what will happen if the other one dies? but Anna was pretty determine to kill Johan in the library incident. so many questions!! man we're getting close!!! can't wait for more! |
PrinceHeir said: Please avoid using line breaks after EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE. Especially when your sentences are banal and add absolutely nothing to your post, such as:... PrinceHeir said: so many questions!! man we're getting close!!! can't wait for more! Come on... You don't need five lines of text for those four word sentences. Seriously. |
| Some parts of this post may be exaggerated. |
Laraso said: PrinceHeir said: Please avoid using line breaks after EVERY SINGLE SENTENCE. Especially when your sentences are banal and add absolutely nothing to your post, such as:... PrinceHeir said: so many questions!! man we're getting close!!! can't wait for more! Come on... You don't need five lines of text for those four word sentences. Seriously. so why do you care? this is how i write in the net. nobody asked you to reply here. if you don't like it then get the fuck off. |
PrinceHeir said: so why do you care? this is how i write in the net. nobody asked you to reply here. if you don't like it then get the fuck off. I care because it's terrible forum etiquette and your post takes up a very large amount of space on this page when in reality you really didn't say much at all. If you had avoided using excessive line breaks, I wouldn't have said anything. That is indeed how you "write in the net". Just because you like to write that way doesn't mean that it's acceptable to write like that anywhere on the internet. This isn't your profile bio, nor is this a blog post; this is a public discussion forum. Nobody asked me to reply, that's true. Nobody asked you to reply either, because that's simply not how a forum works; I don't need to get your permission to reply to your post. You don't own the internet, so you can't tell me to leave. It doesn't work that way. If I don't like it, I'll tell you I don't like it. However, the great thing about this is that it works both ways! If you don't want to listen to me, and you want to continue taking up space, you can ignore me and continue putting line breaks after every few words. |
| Some parts of this post may be exaggerated. |
| Nina freaking out all over the place. |
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